Don McIntosh Transcript
June 15, 1987
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Don: Ok were dealing with a couple of factors here that are going to be a strain or difficult emotionally to you. One is here catching up emotionally, two is coming from adependent emotional system that was restricted at best, to an even independent system for the future. She's in transition now or converting now. Which is good for her. It's better, it's a lighterrangeof experiences, she'llbehappier,more spontaneous, she'll feel at a deeper level than maybe she has felt her entire life. So it's very good for her, it's beneficial and should be encouraged in that way. Were also coming from her trying go make up from her childhood and overcome that, or replace that with positive experiences only. That means for a while she very likely will have no tolerance for any negative emotional experiences or difficulties. Everything has go smooth or pretty or forget it. Because she is making up, she's transplicing in her mind over what she went through as a child. Just like erasing it for it never happened.But she has that positive flow, steady, to be able to manage that and accomplish that.That means to you, where does that put you?, that means that you have to be Mr. positive, emotionally all the time, supportive,protective and helpful with no criticism,no challenging no hassles. Even if she is wrong. Mental doesn't acknowledge that. Ironically, her Mercury is where is where moon in the same way that yours is from the reverse angle. Yours is fromthe Sagittarius to the Pisces. Hers is fromthe Sagittarius to the Virgo.So what we have are two people that think almost identically alike. The mental tuning and track is very close with the two of you because the two Mercury's are very closetogether in the Sagittarius But who feelentirely differently and have entirely different emotionally needs from each other. Let's put it like this: if you were willing to supply what she needs emotionally its going to be a full time job. For the next year, year and half I would expect. Because she's catching up there.  

Due to events a short time after this meeting with Don, I was less available to Julie than ever.

Larry: And that would be difficult time for me because, starting in January you said my..

Don: That demand on you is coming at time when your going need all of own emotion plus some for the Saturn period yourself. So you don't have an abundance to give at that particular time. You may later but then you don't just happen to have all that extra. You may not be able to because of this factor. And this is a mental adjustment that will have to be made, by you, by her or by both for this to take place. Your moon is in opposition to hers. From Pisces to hers in Virgo. The opposition blocks out karmically , the emotional flow or interchange, there is no emotional bridge between the two of you. It's like mentally you run side by side parallel but emotionally she's out here on the other side of the see-saw and it's two far to talk to each other. What I foresee as problem there is here style emotionally with the moon in Virgo, unless she has changed it, consciously. From the chart. Now I don't recall her personality or how she is that way but from the basic Virgo chart description, that style is cutting, harsh, restrictive, critical, analytical, finds what's wrong, is generally unhappy no matter what you give them, at least at first, they don't react with enthusiasm to things. So to coax you out with a Pisces moon I would say she needs a easier, spontaneous flowing style that is receptive, that is warm, that is affectionate, that is out going. Then you'll come out more. But if you come out and are met with the Virgo style, your going right back in under normal circumstances. Or it's going to be to cutting or to hard on you because what she is doing, she doesn't mean it, but only her subconscious, she is releasingthe negative emotional reactions from herpast experiences. It's just like the're coming out and whoever`s in there at close range that's what they're going to be seeing. The're going to think "wow, what are you so aggravated about, I didn't do anything". Until it clears that way. Then she will come out positive and responsive after that. But its like you have to be able to duck or know to duck that initial wave of negativity being released. It's not there for you or because of you, it's because of that past being bridged from the subconscious.

Larry: I believe that I have pretty much learned to recognize that and I don't let it.. In know that she is not directing it directly at me.

If there was one thing I was good at emotionally was not letting Juile’s emotional swings bother me but if anything this exacerbated the problem of her feeling I was emotional removed.

Don: Then it's much better or positive after that. Then it's a better chance. I would say to learn for both of you if you want that work emotionally. Adapt for her, the Libra system emotionally, and just let her learn how Libra handles things or how the regulate things emotionally. Their very smooth, consistent, steady and ? . It's always an easy flow. And for you how the Aries does it instead of the Pisces. The Aries is more confident, takes more control, initiates and leads, and is not as responsive or dependent. It doesn't sit and wait for everybody else emotionally but says I would like to be this way, fine, here we are and presents it. Its more assertive emotionally. Then those two, which you can do from the progressions that move one degree a year, just to show you how complicated it is, even though each one is simple on its own entry. We have the individual placements. Then we have angles and aspects made in each of those that are said or fixed. Then we have some that always in motion that are making their own aspects plus aspects to the original placements of the planets. Then we add a third dimension on top of that. The planets all progress counter clock wise one degree per year that you live. So you Sun, Your how old now? (35 this year) your Sun would have progressed through six degrees Aquarius from five years ago and for the next 24 years of you life you will become more like an Aquarius than a Capricorn You'll acquire the traits of the Aquarius, the mental, the perspective, the future vision, the objectivity. You'll start, each year you'll get a little more toward the Aquarius blend. Away from the Capricorn Which is better for you, that's good. She will have picked up the Capricorn She is becoming more like the Capricorn then the Sagittarius that she started at.

Larry: So these are new traits that you build on upon the older ones.

Don: Right. The best way to describe that are the old ones are set, the inner core from you, that's the mold or the foundation. The new ones are acquired as you go through a range of experiences in your life. So it's like you just don't go through the range and stay the same. Your not the same person now you were ten years ago. You grow and evolved and as you do you acquire new things, you learn new things. But that comes from a progression moving one degree one degree counter clock wise per year. And you acquire a set of traits and especially when it changes signs. Which ever year that happens to apply. Yours at 29 would have been a significant change to the mental. More mental control, more mental perspective with that. But at that set of variables to all the other we got then we just multiply it by a 100. So we go the inner self, the outer self, a self in transition and a progress self which is the self you become as a result of going though what had to deal with. Any one of which could affect you on any given day.

Larry: How is spiritual growth involved with all of this. (In what way?) Well, I had some real kinda rejection of organized religion now. I come from a real religious family. My sister is an missionary. So the concept of god and religion I kinda have rejected.

Don: Ok. Spiritual growth really has nothing to with your religion. The religion is a mental choice, free choice, by the individual. You may choose one religion or a combination of several, whatever is best for you. That is up to each individual to decide. You may be active you may not. It doesn't really matter. Spiritual is more how you choose to live you life. The ethics, the morals, the principles, the values, the integrity. It's like choose to be this way because I feel it is right. Not because somebody tells so, that I have too, or that am going to be punished if I don't.But I think this is the right way to do things. That's the spiritual part of you. That is non-denominational. And each religion has good qualities, good aspects to it and they also have some draw backs for each one of them.I haven`t found the perfect one yet. So each one has some pluses that some of the others don't have as much of.

“Spiritual growth really has nothing to do with your religion.”, I liked that, it resonated with me.

Larry: Well, the past lives and future lives.. one chooses I take to come back into the physical world.

Don: Right. It's just like your at the spiritual level. That has nothing with religion. That's very scientific actually. We haven't just discovered it all yet. So were at the spiritual level. Look at it like there is a picture window up above the clouds. You look down or you have an access to the computer that tells what lives, it's like taking an airplane flight here now. You walk up to the terminal and they said where would you like to go. And you tell them. And you say, "well what time do you want to go, what flight is best for you?" And they give you a preview of what's in time frame and what you experience reasonably in that life. And you make the choice from several. You say I have to born in 1952 and go through it rather than 1852 or 1900. So you make the selection for the port of entry it's called.

Larry: So is there something I supposed to attain or learn from this life now.

Don: Oh yes. There are several lessons in the course of this life that you are supposed to achieve why your here. Mainly in your case by the Saturn placement in achieving balance, harmony, equilibrium, aesthetic, constant flow, no extremes, be nice to everybody, not to react, have everything under control mentally, kinda be cool, not to overreact to extremes emotionally. Not to be to defensive, just to be nice, to a host type personality and keep thing moving and flowing. And to lighten up a little bit. Which with the Saturn and Libras is saying to be humorous, lighten up, don't be so serious about everything. Capricorn is very serious, its one of the more serious signs. The Libra is just well, if we do fine if we don't that ok, its no pressure. And its relieving some of the pressure on yourself by achieving those lessons. So if your going to do it, fine, then I'll do the best I can otherwise I won't worry about it. It's more going with the flow than forcing things. Capricorn has a hard time with that. If things are going too well for the average Capricorn they don't what's wrong. They don`t know how to take it or what to do. Their the street fighters, there accustomed to dealing with hassles, problems, and challenges. Their tough, there accustomed to overcoming that. If everything is to smooth and easy they just go to asleep or just know what's wrong out there. They get very suspicious. Health wise where are you?

Larry: Generally am relative healthy. I guess a couple of times of the year I tend to get colds, like I have a little cough now. Last week I had pretty bad cold. I guess I tend to get bronchiole infections. I have had pneumonia, two years ago I go pneumonia. When I was younger also had pneumonia. (Don: That's the Mars in Aquarius that does that) But generally, physically am pretty well but I tend to get those kinds of things.

Don:  During the period of while Saturn is in Capricorn especially the first year, January to January, that is a time of physical vulnerability. Or karma paybacks coming back to you. It is a time where you need nothing is going to happen but it's a time of maximum physical vulnerability during that 28 year span. So you need to take better care of yourself. Better rest, better diet, balanced exercise. So that you're thinking defensively, or preventively. Not taking wild risks or chances. Ornot neglecting. It's like as long your, you know, aware of that then you go throughout it reasonable well, but its a time, like if your going ice skating, be prepared and know where you are, pay attention to where you are and then it will work out ok.

Larry: I guess that something I've been learning more from Julie because she is seldom or never gets sick.

Don: The Sagittarius are very strong that way. They hardly ever have any problems. They have one of the strongest systems. I say they don't get sick because they don't ever stick around wrong enough. Or because their exposure is quick through things that they don't absorbed that much, or bog them down. But you should be fairly good that way.

Larry: Yes, generally am pretty healthy, but I tend to once or twice a year I get a cold and several times it has developed in bronchitis .

Don: You do have a weakness with Mars and Aquariusinthe respiratory system. Not if the emotion is flowing. That's what makes the difference. If your emotion is flowing and being let out you don't get that. If you are holding too much back or holding it inside then it affects your respiratory system, creating too much pressure on it.

Larry: What about family. In relation to that. (Don: Which family now?) My family. I have a mother and father, two sisters, one's missionary. (Don: What birthdays are the mother and father) There August 23 is my fathers and my mother's is January.

Don: He is Leo - Virgo on the cups. Strong willed, dictatorial, demanding.

Don was total off base about my father who was the total opposite of strong willed, dictatorial, and demanding making even more question the whole zodiac concept. Perhaps he was just phishing, if he was right and I responded he could have gone down a whole different path.

Larry: Not at all. That's more descriptive of my mother. My mothers really has always run the family. (Don: what birthday is she) January 16. (Don: that's Capricorn their pretty forcefuland strong). Myfather has always been very  quiet,very inexpressive, seldom says much of anything.

Don: His Virgo side gets along fairly well with her. The other side doesn't. What did you want to know about them?

Larry: The main thing I wanted to know is more my bother. He's has gone through some real problems in the past couple of years. (Don: what sign is he?) March 26.

Don: He's Aries on the Pisces cusp. He's strongly influence by the transit of Uranus as a square angle 90 degree angle through Sagittarius for two or three years no solid and will continue another a year or year in a half any way. Uranus at the square to the Sun in essence totally disrupts your life, total chaos, a lot of change, very unstable, never go what it going to do, or what it's going to be. And it gets eccentric and rebellious. And sometimes just rebel to rebel. Not for a tangible reason.

Larry: I guess I feel that allot of the problems that he is having now (Don: what year is he?) He two years younger than me so he would be 24. I guess I feel that allot of the problems he going through are things that I also had dealt with when I was younger and I feel that it probably goes back to our family when we were younger. He'sparticularly has had realproblemswith relationships with women. (Don: He is what day?) The 26.

Don:  Am going to check it and see if it karmic in nature or if it's his own doing.He's got the Sun at high Aries on the cusp. The Moon in Sagittarius at 22 degrees. So he would be quick, elusive, fickle, hard to pin down, hard to relateyou emotionally. Nice temperament, easy going, but don't stick around any where for very long, no matter what. That is a good placement but it's hard on females. Mercury and Pisces is very mentally. Ah so he's got the reverse there of yours. His moon is in Sagittarius and his Mercury is in Pisces. So his mental-emotionally balance is just the reverse of yours. Mentally he's very quiet, reidence, withdrawn, timid even at times, slow mentally, daydreaming, doesn't concentrate, no hassles,  no problems, no stress. Would go through excess at times to escape. Can't handle reality, face reality. May drink, or may find some means to find escape if he doesn't do it naturally.He's got an Venus and Aries which is romantic part. So he kinda macho by nature that way even though mentally he real genital and giving. You got a little bit of a conflict there in the push pull. He likes to go at people but really wants to talk softly or nicely with them, be kind to them mentally.But the Venus and Aries is going to bring him in contact with a female who can handle who can handle herself fairly well and is fairly and is fairly strong.

Larry: Yes, he's always looked for a real strong mother type of image. I've always wondered if that was a substitute for our mother.

Don: Yes, it is to some degree. But it is also is in his chart. He needs a strong female to bring the strength out of him because he mentally adapts to somebodies level. If he's with a weaker person, he will be weaker himself.He needs a strong person to be around to pull that part of him out, more so. He's got Mars in Sagittarius which is the physical and this is the problem here. The Mercury to moon square is mental to emotional. That's not physical, sexual or romantic. That's no problem. It's just you think one way and you feel another. Its not a conflict really. Here we do have a conflict because of the Mars in SagittariusWhich is his physical action, his drive, his energy,  square to the Mercury. He has mental,physical coordination problems. He goes to fast. Its like somebody is learning to drive a card, and this would be in relation to females. He has trouble adapting towavelengths. Male wavelengths are ok as a friend, or a brother whatever is better. But he has trouble with female wavelengths because he tends to run at them and then he backs off. And he backs to far off. He never gets it in a happy median. He's either too close, or scaring them, or intimidating them or he backing to far away in retreat. As he doesn't now how to put the brakes on or how to gradually do that. This is not under control unlesshe consciously learns to be able to accelerate gracefully or back down gracefully. Then he would do much better. What he does literally is a technical problem there. He's not really crazy about females. He got hurt in another life. And he doesn't trust them. He was a female and he doesn't trust them. In another life where he got hurt. He got hurt in life as a female very badly. By males and by other females, setting him up, setting her up at the time. Betraying her, and whatever. He won't trust females throughout Saturn and Scorpio. No way. But what he does in the technically problem he can adjust for that. He overshoots their physical, emotional and mental vibrations. It's like he gets it physically doesn't get it the mental and emotion. Then it goes in reverse, won something,forgot something, pick that back up. He either goes too far or he misses where they are. He doesn't adapt to their space. He goes to where he thinks they should be. Did you play sports?

Larry: He was always the one into sports. I wasn't not much into sports at all.

Don: Its like throwing a pass in football. If you watching a football game or something. When the wide receiver is going out on the pass pattern. The quarter, if he's a good quarter back, will throw to the player. Because the player may get knocked down or whatever in the mean time. May not be where he's supposed to be. A new quarter back will throw to where he things the player is supposed to be or what the original plan was. Well that's what he does in regards to females in the ideal. But their not there so he has to backtrack. If he would just go to where they are at that level he would do fine. But he overshoots them.

Larry: I feel like that I can help. I feel a need, a desire to help him. I'm wondering if that is good..

Don: It's good, you can, especially in emotionally matters. You can help him that way, teach him allot. See, he is mentally very much like you emotionally but he's hiding in there. He doesn`t show what he thinks. He'll show everybody what he feels but not what he thinks. So its very hard to see he's overshooting or miscalculating mentally, which would be his tendency. Its very hard to see how to make the adjustments. Its like an archer and he keeps missing the target some how but you got to be able stand behind and watch him to see how to compensate. He wont' let anybody in to see that. He's too proud. Where its better to him to make the adjustments, or help to make the adjustments then go an with it. Its much easier. But yes you can help him but, with an *, you should not force it because your Capricorn and his Aries are in conflict. And the Aries and Capricorn, the Aries may not let the Capricorn do anything for them. Their pretty head strong. But still they have trouble with Capricorn There is an energy problem there. Even though the styles are similar, its like he may not let you.

Larry: I feel that something he wants me to help, but then sometimes I do push a little to hard and he pulls away from that. He will not allow any body to push him. Lets put it that way. So I would say you could help emotionally first and then have a chance at the other. He's in a better cycle now. Jupiter is very favorable for him. Starting a new cycle 12 years ahead in his life and he is under spiritual help and blessings this year. Good opportunity coming through, good changes through for him. Its like clearing the past and starting over.

Larry: That's good. (Don: if he will let go of the past) I think he is doing that.

Don: I would tell him to walk right up to the trade up window and trade it in, immediately. He's got to come out way ahead.

Larry: I was wondering what this is [in reference to the color circle)

Don: The colors? (Larry: yes). That is taken, its one of my own inventions. That's what your energy system would like if its run through a computer.  Its taken from the placements up here, where the planets fall and the extended energy ranges. The red represents the fire sign influence. From the Aries, Leo, and Sagittarius in your case. That is the inflow of energy which represents spiritually energy. So your very high there. Any time you have all three that's the best you can have. Your fairly advance that way, have abundance spiritually energy, abundant physical and action energy as well.

Larry: What do you mean by abundance of spiritual energy?

Don: That means you have a sense of right and wrong, of how to treat people, a sense of spiritual growth from the past already achieved. It also makes you physically active, you can't sit around and sit still for too long. You have to be on the go, doing you moving, changing, going places, making things happen. You get that much from the fire signs. Now that's very strong. Their saying to you that moving that protects you in life. Keeping on the go is your spiritual protection at work. Your protection system works while your in transit, not when your at a standstill. When your at a stand still everything catches up with you.

Then we have the blue. That's taken from the air signs, Aquarius and you don't have the Gemini but you have the Libra. The air sign deal with the mental, intellect, reason, sense, logic, perceptual ability, ability to learn and understand things. There your very strong with the Mars and Aquarius, and the Saturn and Libra. It's a well balanced intellect. Well balanced mental perspective and flow. Your not going to be the intellectual or egotistical or lopsided. Its fairly even and steady. It deals with people of all different wavelengths and levels that you can relate fairly easily or learn from fairly easily. That's a good influence, its well balanced.